“Oh my gosh, guys! We have to get mushroom shakes for breakfast tomorrow morning!!!”
I turn my head around; it’s the same Aussie girl who managed to introduce herself to the older British couple by dropping the word ‘shit’ in her greeting. She has now moved on to broadcasting all the cheap drugs she plans on consuming in Southeast Asia.
“And the pizzaaaas! If you ask for a ‘happy pizza’ they’ll give you one that has marijuana. Isn’t that awesooome?!”
I roll my eyes at Sam. Is this who I have for company on the 2 day boat journey to Luang Prabang? It looks like I might because she gets in the same minivan we’re already on. Crap!
“Aww, guys,” she yells out the door, “I really hope we’re on the same boat! I’m gonna be so SOOOOO sad if we aren’t!”
Then turning to us offering an explanation, “we spent all night getting drunk together. They’re my new friends!”
“No, seriously guys! You have to be on the same boat! They have beer – we can drink the whole way theeere!!!!”
Oh, gosh. What am I in for?
While the 3 day journey from Chiang Mai to Luang Prabang was incredibly scenic, it also proved to be slow torture in many ways. My trip involved sleeping in a former prison, eating recycled leftovers, and getting tangled up in a mutiny just when I was a few kilometres from reaching Luang Prabang. It seems misadventures along the Mekong River are a bit of an ongoing theme for me…
For anyone considering taking the slow boat to Laos, I’ll recount the events from my journey and I seriously hope you have a better one.
Over-the counter drugs and a pink jail
(Day 1: Chiang Mai to Chiang Khong)
Our van picked us up (only) 45 minutes behind schedule and we crammed ourselves in. Having done the journey from Chiang Mai to Chiang Rai twice before, I knew I was in for a vomit-inducing journey so I proceeded to pass out for the next 3 hours with a little help from dimenhydrinate. (Anti-nausea pills for the win!)
By the time I woke up, we had reached the White Temple for a 20 minute break and a whirlwind tour at one of the most unusual temples in Southeast Asia.
Snap! Snap! Snap! And back in the van.
I was more alert for the next three hours that followed on our journey to the Thai-Lao border. During this part of the drive the roads got narrower, the towns fewer in between, and the transportation switched from cars and scooters to scooters and farming equipment.
By 5 p.m. we were pulling in to our accommodations for the evening – this came in the form of a former prison…painting pink to add a bit of cheer? Hmm, this wasn’t in the brochure, yet oddly enough, it wasn’t my first time staying at a former prison turned hotel.
Dinner that evening consisted of chicken soup (read: murky water with a floating carcass) and a small bowl of rice, which wouldn’t be enough to fill a cavity. A trip to 7 Eleven ensued (I may eat like a baby elephant, but I also have Sam the Giant to feed). This was followed by a sleep deprived night on a mattress that was surely carved out of wood.
Not quite the leisurely trip we were promised
(Day 2: Chiang Khong to Pakbeng)
Cold and showerless I made my way down for breakfast at 6:00 a.m. I was greeted with a buffet of instant coffee, overcooked rice floating in water, and boiled cabbage with mystery proteins (eggs? pork?) in it. The Dutch girl seated next to me looked at my plate with disgust. “You must eat something”, an older British couple urged her and they then gave her one of their own teabags so that at least she’d have something to drink.
About an hour behind schedule, we finally hopped in the minivan that would drive us to the border. We were stamped out of Thailand, driven a few hundred meters to the Laos border, and then began the process of getting a visa on arrival. Word to the wise: get your Laos visa before coming here or make sure you are one of the very first people there because it is absolute madness.
I managed to be one of the first 5 people in line, but within minutes there were upwards of 100 people waiting to be processed. There was confusion as to where to get the forms, local ‘guides’ were bribing the officers into processing their customers’ passports first, and it was absolute chaos at the visa pick-up line where the clerk was holding up random passports and asking “Is this you? Is this you? Is this you?” to the growing mob surrounding her window.
From there it was another drive to the pier where we arrived to a boat that was already packed full of strangers. How was this possible if we were the first of our 3 minivan entourage to cross the border?! We were clearly just ‘filler’, which meant we got the crap seats facing sideways. The barriers meant we couldn’t really enjoy the view, so the next 7 hours were spent eating, reading and napping. Not quite what I had envisioned when I signed up for this ‘scenic’ slow boat to Laos.
When we finally reached Pakbeng that evening, our hotel forgot to pick our group up from the pier, and none of the drivers seemed too interested in taking us since they were working on commission for other hotels. In the end we had to walk uphill into town with all of our luggage in tow.
Our hotel hardly resembled the photos we had been shown. Instead, we had a flimsy mattress with protruding springs, and a shower that let out a small trickle of icy water. This being our second night without a shower, Sam decided to brave the water anyway, upon which time the water mysteriously cut out in the room – no water to brush out teeth in the sink, no water to flush the toilet, and no water to wash those stinky armpits.
A mutiny on the shores of the Mekong
(Day 3: Pakbeng to Luang Prabang – sort of)
Determined to not get stuck with crappy seats for another day in a row, Sam and I were out of the hotel by 6:30 a.m. We ate a quick breakfast, stocked up on French baked goods for the journey, and raced downhill with our packs. Success! A handful of travellers had already arrived to secure their seats, but we were still early enough to snag forward-facing seats near the front of the boat.
Let me shock you here and say that I honestly did enjoy the final day of the slow boat to Laos. The landscape changed from lush jungles with palm trees and draping vines, to autumn foliage with specks of red. The sun was shining into the boat, and it was easy to love slowly drifting down the Mekong with a good book in hand. Every so often small bamboo settlements would appear on the hillside, and we would stop to drop off supplies and pick up locals heading into Luang Prabang. I even saw the occasional elephant grazing near the banks of the river – it was bliss. But that would change once we neared our final destination.
About 10 kilometres outside of Luang Prabang, the captain pulled over announcing this was the final stop. We would have to take a tuk-tuk to make the rest of our way into town. Locals and foreigners who had read up about the trip knew better than that.
The first clue to the scam was that the locals weren’t getting off the boat. If this was the final stop, why weren’t they moving?
We turned to a local woman seated with us, “Last stop? Luang Prabang?”
She grinned at us and signalled that the boat would continue on into town.
We then turned to the captain who tried to hide his grin, but the cat was out of the bag.
Even though we had paid for a boat ride all the way to Luang Prabang, we were being dropped off here so that we’d have to pay the local drivers to take us the rest of the way into town.
“No-no-nooooh, ha! Take us to Luang Prabang!”
Our new leader addressed the captain asking him to take us all the way as had been agreed, but the captain just kept smirking and staring awkwardly at us and then at his crew.
“We know you’re going the rest of the way! The locals on the boat told us so and we paid for tickets the full way. We are not getting off the boat, so let’s go to Luang Prabang.”
By now everyone on the boat was getting quite rowdy. There was chanting, clapping, and lots of hollering in a myriad of languages. The two leaders who were fighting for our cause started untying the boat and throwing off the plank that had been set up to let passengers off in a muddy shore (there wasn’t even a pier). Browse the forums on Lonely Planet or read the reviews on TripAdvisor and you’ll come across many tales of disgruntled passengers who also felt cheated by similar experiences.
That’s when the yelling in Lao begin. First the captain at the locals and then the locals at the captain. It seemed that now that we had caught on to his trick, the locals would have to get off as well. He would not be continuing on with a boatful of foreigners all the way into town. The locals fought him but eventually they were forced off with their bundles. And still we stayed on the boat for another 30 minutes out of principle.
A local who spoke English was brought to try and end the dispute. He first tried to argue that there was no pier in town, and then he started saying that there was a UNESCO rule prohibiting boats from going any further into town (a complete lie considering we would later see these very boats by the handful offering rides to foreigners on the town’s shores).
During this time locals on the shores began to mock us, “You stay here! You sleep here all night,” and a Frenchman tried to lighten the mood by singing “Should I stay or should I go? Should I stay or should I go? If I go there will be troubleeee…”
Eventually the captain and his crew began unloading our luggage and throwing it on the banks, at which point I felt this was a lost cause.
I would later bump into some of the passengers around town and learn that a group of them had stayed on for an additional hour, however, in the end it was to no avail.
After getting off the boat, I carried my pack up the ‘new pier’s’ extremely steep sandy embankment and paid the 20,000 kip (or $2.50 USD) per person for a ride into town. (Yes, it’s cheap, but it’s also quadruple the going rate if you happen to catch the ride a few meters down on the main road.)
Of course, Ms. Shroom Shakes was already in the back of the truck, so I got to listen to her conversation for the ride in.
“Yeah, we found a place to smoke opium last night but then we were freaking out because one of the guys got really sick. Shit, man! That sucked…”
I echoed her feeling about the whole trip.
I know what some of you are probably thinking…
$2.50? Why did you even bother?
I’ve asked myself the same thing.
On the one hand, by dropping people off 10 kilometres out of town and forcing them to hire a driver into town, jobs are being created for locals. $2.50 is a small price to pay to give someone a job and stimulate the local economy.
On the other hand, deceiving paying passengers and dropping them off on a muddy bank in the outskirts of town when they’ve paid for a boat ride to Luang Prabang isn’t very honest. Our local sources in town explained that as little as a year ago the slow boat used to travel all the way into Luang Prabang, however, several months ago the captains started dropping foreigners off in the outskirts of town and this became the new norm. No one challenged it (perhaps out of ignorance or perhaps because the fare to town was such a trivial sum), so now it’s standard practice.
At the end of the day, most foreigners can easily cough up the $2.50 it takes to get into town, however, it bothered me that this money fuelled dishonesty.
Tips for anyone considering taking the slow boat to Laos:
– Bring a cushion. Some of the boats have been ‘updated’ and the wooden benches have been replaced with old car seats / bus seats, but there’s still a chance you may end up sitting on a wooden bench for 9 hours.
– Dress in layers. I was wearing a hoodie, a fleece, socks and sandals (classy, I know), and I was still shivering when we set off in the morning. Don’t underestimate the temperatures in Southeast Asia. It will warm up later in the day, but it’s best to be prepared until then.
– Bring something to keep yourself entertained. Books, an iPod stocked with your favourite music, a deck of playing cards, a journal to write or doodle in. The landscapes are hypnotizing, but you’ll want a break sooner of later.
– Arrive early for a chance at a good seat. You may not be able to get a good seat on the first day, but if you get up early on day 2 of the boat journey and make it down to the pier at least 1 hour in advance, you should be able to snag first pick.
– Stock up on snacks. Anyone who tells you there is no food on the boat is lying to you, however, I will say that there isn’t a lot of variety. You can get hot tea and coffee, ramen noodles in a cup, chips, cookies, light snacks and beer. You certainly won’t go hungry, but it’s worth picking up some sandwiches, baked goods, and maybe even some fruit before you hop on board.
– It might be worth going for a mid-level package. I booked the regular budget tour: 2,400 baht with 2 nights accommodations included. It’s the same tour they sell at every tourist agency in Chiang Mai, but if I had to do it again, I would be willing to dish out double in order to have a more comfortable trip.
Ahhh…I took the upscale slow boat with Mekong Cruises. Fantastic food, first class service, a sun deck atop, luxurious cushioned seats, and fantastic tour stops along the way, not to mention an overnight in Pakbeng at the sumptuous Luang Say Lodge, with teak cabins overlooking the river and Hemingway-esque furnishings. VERY worth the extra cost.
Sounds amazing, Barbara! We saw the luxury cabins overlooking the Mekong in Pakbeng and there were a few hopeful whispers among the passengers, “Do you think we’re staying there?!” Haha, in the future I will most certainly splurge for the sake of comfort and sanity. 🙂
Where did you arrange the upscale boat? Was it alot more expensive?
I don’t suppose you remember how much this cost in comparison to the standard trip?
I did the standard trip in March and I don’t think I paid more that $40 in total. Bought the ticket at the dock and then used Trivago to get a cheap and comfortable room for the overnight.
Oh no! I have read sooo many horrific accounts on this trip that I decided against it… and I am again, glad I did. Sorry that this happened Audrey, however I know you are a seasoned person in dealing with these everyday issues, surprises, and adventure of a traveler.
I too would have be upset because of the principle and the lying. I could careless about the $2.50 and I understand it’s a small price to pay, but if they would just tell us these things instead of lying, it would be fine. Also, as a solo female traveler, surprises like being dumped at a random spot that you weren’t notified about can get a bit sketchy and scary! I hope you enjoy the rest of your Laos trip!
I can laugh about it now – maybe not when I first got off the boat after 3 days without a shower (oh my!), but arriving in Luang Prabang made it all laughable. 😉
Thankfully, in terms of getting dropped off outside of town, it wasn’t that scary. The sun was starting to set, but there was still daylight out, and there were also plenty of travellers stuck in the same situation so everyone teamed up when it came time to get transportation into town.
Aaah, all’s well that ends well, right?!
I feel so bad for you right now! I took the boat the other way, from Luang Prabang to the border of Thailand, in March last year (so ca 1 year). Although this one didn’t have enough seats, and the heat was exhausting at times, it did go all the way!!And the family who owned the boat was super cute. I really enjoyed the scenery too, but it does get tiering spending two full days on a slow boat. Time couldn’t pass any slower haha. However, now I am happy I did it 🙂
And I completely understand what you said about the conflicting thoughts on paying for that extra transportation. Considering that scams like these, trying to squeeze as much as possible from western tourists, happens all the time and everywhere you could end up spending almost twice of what you could have! Especially if you are not working and traveling for months. But at least in the bitterness you know that it probably put food on someones table that day. I was fortunate on my trip, except for the sometimes overprised tuk tuk. Although reading your tips on what to bring on a slow boat would have made the journey a bit smoother.
And I do hope you enjoy Laos! It is my faveourite country in SE Asia, it is so beautiful and laid-back and the sunset in Vang Vieng is incredible! If you’re still in Luang Prabang you have to go see kuang si waterfalls, and bring your bathing suit (I did not and regret it!)
Thanks for the great report on your trip.We were going to to Lung Prabang by slow boat but got put off by stories like yours.We did the east route through Nong Khaki -Vientanne ,Not as exciting as your trip but trouble free.Thanks for all your great blogs,David
Too bad you couldn’t twist their arm into continuing into Luang Prabang … despite the experience, it made for an informative and engaging post!
Oh, Audrey, I am just feeling that wind on the boat, sun on your face and freaking strong disappointment that we had basically in the same situations. We couldn’t believe that they were able to rip us off on everything possible (and impossible!). To be honest, after we arrived to the pink prison and we saw the room, we better went to dine to the village.
It looks also that each boat has its own superstar! “Our” girl was more into the “liquids” than mushrooms, but with the similar performances 😀
And the “new” pier, this was just too much. We didn’t see the locals to stay on the board, but I bet they did the same 😀 is just we were already occupied to stand in the line for a famous tuk-tuk.
Well, am happy you survived, and all we can just laugh now!
I’m sorry to hear your trip wasn’t ideal either. A former prison and 3 days without access to a warm shower wasn’t quite what I was expecting when I signed up for the tour, haha, but I’m just glad we made it there in the end. It was such a relief to finaaaaally arrive in Luang Prabang.
Audrey…this was very interesting …always enjoy your post..thanks
Wow, that actually sounds pretty horrible. If you’d be willing to dish out 4800 baht ($160) for a more comfortable trip, consider flying. My boyfriend was getting short on time during his trip this summer and he decided that the 45min flight was well worth the cost (~$150) over spending 3 days in transit. I’m of the same mind.
Unless I had oodles of time and some sort of deluxe/luxury package I doubt I’d ever take the slow boat to Laos.
Yikes, this sounds like a nightmare! After reading this, I am very thankful we flew into and out of Luang Prabang and just took an hour-long ride on the Mekong from there. I don’t think I would have enjoyed my time in the town as much if I’d had this terrible experience at the start.
Omg! what a terrible trip. Even though its a way of job creation, there is dishonesty that will definitely cost both Captains and Locals. Visitors will avoid being dropped 10 km outside the city thus choosing other safe modes of transport. Of course captains and the locals will loose.
Yikes – that sounds like a pain!
I’d heard about the chaos at the land boarder into Laos and so was happy when we found super cheap flights so that we dealt with boarder control at the airport – it went really smoothly.
Oh wow. Well I hate that you had such a negative experience. I’ve actually never heard of the slow boat to Laos. But thanks for sharing your experience and tips.
Oh my goodness, this sounds awful!!!! I must have been on one of the lucky boats because we pulled right into the dock in Luang Prabang!
I’m glad your boat took you all the way into town. Did you do the same trip recently? Makes me wonder if it’s just a few boats that are trying to be sneaky by leaving travellers in the outskirts…
Honestly, it sounds painful! I think I’d go for the upscale cruise Barbara mentioned above. I hate the level of dishonestly and scamming that comes with the tourist trail in SE Asia. I can understand the overwhelming need to let everyone earn a few extra bucks but a rip-off is still a rip-off no matter how small the amount.
An entertaining post as always!
The Thai borders with Laos and Cambodia are a nightmare. Letting your passport out of your sight in a place that is utterly chaotic and corrupt is not a pleasant experience!
Yikes! That sounds rough. I hope you don’t base all Australians off of one bad egg… We actually deported her because we were all sick of her
Haha, I’ll be travelling to Australia in the spring, so I’m giving you Aussies another try! 😉
I would have stayed on out of principle too! What an annoying scam…. and annoying girl you had to listen to.
I had no idea that last stop was a scam! I remember thinking how strange it was that we were dropped off so far from Luang Prabang, and then throwing a fit about the couple of bucks we had to pay for the taxi into town!
It’s not the fact that it’s $2.50, but it’s the relative price and the level of dishonesty. After traveling in SE Asia, I’m not even surprised to hear that it was a scam…which is really unfortunate. The state of tourism in that region is pretty poor.
My journey was a little different, uncomfortable but ok! There weren’t enough seats so we say on the floor but the seats they did have were just wooden benches and at first they packed loads of us on so some people kicked off and we ended up on two boats (still not enough seats) and at Pakbeng we just got dropped at the bank, no accomodation – but they did drop us right in Luang Prabang. I did have a horrendous bus journey from Laos to Vietnam though. The men were horrible! Glad you got there ok!!!
I’m sorry that you didn’t have the best experience. 🙁 Thanks for letting us know what to look out for. Better luck next time!
Thanks but no thanks; what a horror story indeed! Yes, your pics are still gorgeous. But I had more then my fair share of discomfort and of being cheated, scammed and tricked ‘when I was younger’;-). I really try to avoid these experiences now. Although you will always run into them here and there.
Great reportage and you ‘survived’!;-)
Gosh, that sounds like an awful boat ride! I definitely agree with you about the principle of it all though, irrelevant of whether or not the cost of an extra ride into town is low to a Westerner or not.
Whoooa. We have considered this, so thank you for giving an honest depiction. Certainly an adventure!
Sorry to hear your trip wasn’t as great as you’d hoped, will definitely bare this tips in mind when I’m in SE Asia.
I don’t like being trapped on any method of transit for such an extended period of time. But it is at least a good story to tell 🙂
I was gonna take the same route in Jan 2010, but the Mekong was very low at that time; so I nixed the trip. I had heard of some nightmare trips on Trip advisor, so I figured my time was better spent in Luang Prabang touring the temples. I was in LP back in 1972 … but there was a very hot war in progress; so I had to get my tourist derriere out of there ASAPTook me 38 years to get back there.
Audrey, that sounds like a nightmare. I did it in reverse in November. We were dropped off outside LP to get on the boats, including the locals, and we were told by all the agencies in town that this was because the boats no longer went all the way. The only hassle is that only one place has agreements with the boats for both days (different companies) & the bus to Chiang Mai. And none will arrange a hostel – you just have to fight! Regarding the strangers on the first boat, this is probably people who stayed in Houay Xai overnight, most likely coming back from the Gibbon Experience.
I’m with you on the $2.50, and I am okay with paying higher prices than the locals, because yes, it’s not as much money relative to my income. And I’m a visitor in their country, using their roads and services and probably contributing in some way to environmental degradation as much as I try not to. But I hate being targeted as a rich westerner with an endless stream of money who should just pay up without question, and especially for things I’ve already paid for. Sometimes I just do it and sometimes I try to bargain, but it always feels crappy, because there isn’t an endless stream of money flowing into my bank account.
Great story, Audrey. I love how you write about these weird and crazy situations and make us all feel your pain, but laugh along with you too. The drug-obsessed Aussie girl is hilarious! We’ve all met her before!
Ah, brings back memories! My traveling companions and I were also ‘filler’ and had lousy seats. One german girl was feeling ill, and the only place she could lie down was next to the engine in the back… with gas fumes. After several hours she had a fever of 104. Fortunately the boat pulled over at a police checkpoint on a muddy bank soon thereafter. She got off, and I went along to look after her. We found a guy with a speed boat who took us back up to Huay Xi, where she crossed over into Thailand for proper medical care. The next day I hopped a speed boat down to Luang Prabang (which are as dangerous as everyone says). On the way we stopped in Pak Beng and picked up another traveler from the slow boat who was sick and had stayed behind. Several hair raising hours later we arrived in Luang Prabang ahead of the slow boats, found a nice hostel, and didn’t have to deal with the early drop-off scam. So there are a few advantages to risking life & limb on the speed boats. 😛
Your explanation is precisely how I feel when these things happen to me. I find myself fighting for my rights as a human being and “equal” with the locals, and then in the same moment I find myself understanding why they want my $2.50 and how I am so easily able to part with it. It’s not the money, as you say, but it’s the principle that we are told false realities, and it never feels good to be lied to. Although, lately I feel like I have become a lot better at just accepting people’s weird justifications for things that seem to be not quite logical, like that time in Bangkok when it was “Buddha day” so the temple I wanted to visit was closed… (exactly WHY would a temple close on Buddha day?? wouldn’t it be decorated and full of celebrations?). At some point, if it becomes clear that my argument isn’t getting me anywhere, it becomes easier for everyone just to cough up the $2.50 and be done with it. Thanks for sharing your horrors with us Audrey!
That sounds like an awful trip. I’m kinda glad I didn’t go on it when I was there. There are so many scams going these days you really have to be on your toes to catch them all.
Sounds great! Yeah, sure, uncomfortable, a bit of bribery, things not as they were described, a mutiny! Sure, you could have flown and had a completely comfortable, quick trip but look at the memories you would have missed!
Give me the slow boat any day.
Weird boat designs!
I’d love to try a luxury boat cruise on the river Mekong…
I just arrived in Luang Prabang after taking the slow boat and I’ve got to say my experience was amazing!! We did it without a tour, which must be why our experiences differ so much. I started in Bangkok, since I’ve been to Chiang Mai already, and took an amazing overnight VIP bus, 12 hours, for 650 baht directly to Chiang Khong, from there it was a 10 minute tuk tuk to the border. There was no one else at the border so we walked right through. On the other side we had to take another tuk tuk to the pier for 100 baht. At the pier we purchased our tickets all the way to luang prabang for 950 baht. We stopped at Pakbeng and found an amazing hotel for 400 baht for two people with super comfy beds and hot water showers. We paid for our own food from the restaurant and bought lots of snacks for the boatride at the pier. So all in all I paid less than 2,000 baht to come all the way from Bangkok and stay in a really nice hotel. I highly highly recommend doing it this way. Or, for those in Chiang Mai, I’m sure there is a bus that will take you to the border as well. Sorry you had a rough experience!! Still, you got to see some epic scenery 🙂 Oh, and we were also on a boat the first day with a bunch of drunk young backpackers so the next day we made sure to go on a different one the next day!
Hi American Girl! Do you remember the name of the hotel you stayed at in Pakbeng? Did you find the hotel when you arrived or did you book it in advance? Planning to do the slow boats in March and would love to find a hotel with comfy beds and hot water. We’ll be doing it on our own… no tours. Thanks a bunch!
Strange, but from your pictures it seems only pasty white folk live in Laos.
After reading this it almost sounds like we were on the exact same boat ride! We were travelling in a large group with two people who had done the trip a few times prior and knew it wasn’t the final stop. We also stayed on the boat for an additional 30 minutes, everyone standing their ground. However, eventually all of our bags got thrown out and we were forced to pay for the 10km tuk tuk ride into town. It’s a whole scam they’ve got going on to give the taxi drivers more work. Although I don’t completely blame the captain because he’s just doing what he’s told. This whole situation must happen very, very regularly! We too, had no power at the halfway mark, it was quite creepy. An experience we’ll never forget though, I guess!
I hate the scam! I did something similar in Koh Chang getting a taxi into town from the ferry. They wanted to charge us double the price, because we were on the 2nd songthaew with 9 people rather than 12. In the end the driver stormed away and the 9 of us were stranded. Eventually someone else came along and we paid a bit more than the norm, but not double.
We are thinking of doing this boat ride with 2 kids in November. Probably a really bad idea. I am still on the fence about it. I may need to look into the upscale option, but can’t afford a “cruise”.
Hi Audrey! here is another question about SE .
How did you get to Laos? by bus or by boat? and from where?
I am planning to travel Cambodia and from there I would like to cross the board..however, many people are saying that is better from Thailand.
what do you think , what is the best way to get to Laos?
I travelled from Northern Thailand to Laos by minivan and then by boat. If you do decide to do the same route I did, I would recommend taking more of a higher end cruise, otherwise you might end up on a crowded boat with old car seats for seating… I haven’t done the journey from Cambodia to Laos, so I can’t really comment on what that is like.
We actually stayed in the boat until a lao police man came. And then we look at each other and said “Oh this is it guys, we are spending the night in a Lao Prison tonight”
In the end, we kind lost people power. The police was taking the boat operator side. So in the end a lot of people left. So yeah, we left too… arguing with these people were a total waste of time.
Haha, great reading this! Here’s my account from December 2014, VERY similar!
TRIP TO LUANG PRABANG OVER RIVER MEKONG – hello walking wallet!
Overall, this was fun. Obviously, they cheap out on every part of the trip and pocket the maximum amount of money for themselves, and any interaction with people organising the trip will no doubt drive you a bit insane, but you do get to meet other nice travellers that you’ll keep seeing throughout the Laos tourist trail, see the beautiful scenery of the river Mekong, and it gets you from A to B. This is a description for the more expensive all-inclusive tour, including: bus rides, boat fare, 2 nights accommodation (Chiang Kong), 1 dinner, 2 breakfasts, 2 lunches.
There’s the obligatory stop at some overpriced, underwhelming food place along the way, though if you eat beforehand you won’t be hungry by this point. The first night is spent in a DIVE on the Thai boarder town of Chiang Kong, extremely cheap & basic bunker style accommodation (I think it was a former prison), we were 3 in a room and despite the beds being rock-hard, we slept fine. Food portions there are MEASLY; you’ll have to ask for seconds like Oliver Twist (they had some rice & veg left over which they graciously gave us). Breakfast was the same: a single, sad egg on a cheapo slice of white bread. Must have cost them 5cents per person though I’m sure they charge the equivalent of $5.
The guy “in charge” will get everyone to queue up for money exchange before bundling you all into buses to the boarder – don’t give him a cent if you can help it, he’s full of BS (e.g. you’ll be charged at least $5 every time you withdraw from an ATM in LAOS – not the case, it’s about $1.50). Also, just get your dollars ahead of time to pay for your LAOS visa, the less you have to deal with last minute middle men the better for your stress levels.
At the boarder, after the boring form-filling and handing over money to enter the country, some other clown will give you a tedious speech along the lines of “even though it’s true that westerners do have a lot of money, we don’t want you to feel cheated here in our beautiful country, because we want you to keep coming back. Otherwise you might go off & tell your friends not to come to Laos, and we will have no more tourists. So be aware of people who want to cheat you. Some villagers will pretend to be officials and ask you for your passport and demand a large sum of money before they return it. Do not give them your passport.” After listening to this condescending drivel repeated 4 or 5 times in slight variations, those passengers who have not yet booked a room in the Laos village the same night will be asked to book. Then there’s a short drive to the riverside where the boats are, and as the minivan’s doors open, guess who’s there waiting to greet you?? The grinning face of a local holding a flimsy little plastic bag in your direction, demanding that you place your PASSPORT in it!!! Of course you’ll ignore him and tell him you’re not an idiot, this is not the boarder so he doesn’t need to see your passport. Who is he anyway? You’re just here waiting for the other tourists to arrive before you can board the boat!
The other tourists finally arrive and buy the overpriced sandwiches at this last stop before the 8 hour boat ride (we bought our food the night before in the 7/11 in the Thai boarder town – cheaper that way.) Meanwhile, more locals swarm around the tourists demanding passports, with no explanation. Obviously no one gave their passports, so the locals got frustrated. But the clown from the boarder emerged from a car and came to the rescue, the guy who said not to give passports to random strangers, and told us all “hey, it’s OK, give your passports to these people who need them to organise your boat ride”.
Confused and bewildered, everyone handed them over and watched as the strange men underwent their administrative task with the greatest seriousness and pride. They put the passports in the plastic bags. Sat down at a table. Took out one passport at a time, put a random boat ticket in it with no assigned seat number, badly pronounced the passport holder’s name, not ticking it off any list, and handed the passports back to the person, who all had to stand there like naughty school children to listen out for their names. I looked around for a hidden camera to see if this was some kind of highly sophisticated Laotian comedy show, but there was nothing. It was just a tragic exercise in power and laughable excuse for time wasting. At the end, one of the ‘officials’ turned to us and said ‘see, that’s why we needed your passports’. We asked if they couldn’t simply have handed out boat tickets. He looked at us blankly. We then went down to the boat, and got on it – and no one asked to see a single boat ticket.
Highlight was finally on the horizon: the 8 hour trip to the village was great. We loved it because we love boats & views of mountains, but some did find it a bit long & boring. Overnight stop was interesting, village has decent restaurants – there was no electricity at first but after a couple hours you could turn the light on. Be aware that if you’re a single traveller, you’ll be placed with someone else in a double room, this place didn’t have dorms.
Next day, you could choose your breakfast and packed lunch: we got egg sandwiches for each, since that was the most filling option. They must have cheaped out with the boats, because they squeezed all the tourists from 2 boats onto 1, and this one didn’t have tables with 4 chairs around them, just rows of chairs facing in the same direction, so harder for people to play cards and put their beers / food anywhere. We didn’t care as, again, we sat right at the front where all the chairs face each other in a semi circle, which we liked as you can have privacy chatting as a couple, or have group convos with everyone. Since the boat was so overly full, some poor tourists had to sit right in the back section by the ridiculously loud engine where you can’t hear yourself think, nevermind anyone else talk. On the way to Luang Prabang, the boat must have stopped 6 times to pick up locals, who sat in the aisles on the floor, in the back by the engine, maybe on the rooftop, who knows where they could manage to squeeze them in?! Some came on with chickens, a puppy, a live fish that ended up in a bucket by the loo! Many tourists felt peeved at how packed the boat was getting, and going to the toilet without stepping over someone’s hand or foot required athletic balance, but we found it fascinating to stop at the villages and pick up locals, plus the people we were with were fun & turned it all into a joke – would we sink? Who knew! Another 8 hour boat ride was a bit much for some, but we found the views even more breath-taking than the 1st day.
Then, the end was in sight, and just as we were about to reach our destination, the one we each paid $50 of our hard-earned money to get to, our $50 that cut a hole in our backpacker recession money, the cash we put aside even though there’s a £20,000 student loan debt repayments waiting for us back home and only shit temporary contract jobs, at the end of 16 hours on a boat when we were like sailors who have finally spotted the lighthouse, we were confronted with the biggest scam yet: the “I-can’t-drive-you-into-town-you’ll-have-to-make-your-own-way-there-oh-look-some-tuk-tuk-driver-has-miraculously-appeared-over-there-how-lucky-for-you” scam. Since a few of us had GPS on our smartphones, we knew this wasn’t Luang Prabang like they claimed it was, so we demanded they bring us the remaining 8km to the city we’d paid to get to. After all, they were bringing the local Laotians there after we were all forced to get off, so why not us, we paid 5 times more!!! So about 40 of us waited for an hour on the boat, having experienced this scam all over Thailand and SE Asia and by now feeling sore about it, and demanded they take us. The locals sat outside the boat, waiting for us to get out so they could carry on. The boat driver saw that we understood the locals waiting was proof that they were carrying on to Luang Prabang, so told them to wait further away, out of sight. It was such a pathetic little battle of wills. But they didn’t give in and obviously had more time to waste than we did, so an hour later, after the sun had gone down, we all gave up, walked up the hill in defeat and found their tuk tuk office at the top where we each paid the couple dollars like the good little walking wallets that we were told to be. So instead of the scenic, dramatic entry to the city by the river, 10 of us squeezed onto a tuk tuk and were driven down industrial back streets with dust forcing our eyes closed most of the way, and some fellow passengers passively concluding that ‘after all, it’s only a couple bucks’ (but $15 profit for a 10 minute drive equates to more than what most cab drivers make in the west, just food for thought.) But of course, it’s not the money, it’s the principle… do we have to be treated like gullible walking wallets all the time? I guess so.
It’s stories like these that keep me from taking the slow boat. Honestly, I have never a good one. Dropping you off before Luang Prabang takes the cake!
Oh THANK YOU for posting this story. My husband, wanting to relive his ’60s backpacking glory, was pushing me to do this boat ride. I was resisting. We aren’t young pups. Sleeping on a board puts my hip out. Humping heavy bags through the tropics makes me dizzy. Now I have grounds to stand my ground. Ugh. He says I’m being a princess but, honestly, travel should not require martyrdom. Hear me roar from wherever you are: “NO. And DOUBLE NO. And PUTTING MY FOOT DOWN NO.”
Yeah, the slow boat wasn’t the most comfortable journey, but there are other options if you two want to travel by boat down the Mekong Delta. Shompoo Cruises offers cruises from the Laos-Thailand border all the way to Luang Prabang, so maybe you can relive the 60s backpacking glory days in style! 😉
The slow boat sank and a British traveller was drowned in April ,2015.
19:54, Mon, Apr 13, 2015
Nagi of Mekong, Adisak Star, said: “The boat which has a steel bottom but is otherwise made of wood hit a rock in the rapids and sank in a minute. It was that fast.
A BODY has been found on the hunt for a British woman feared dead after a cruise boat hit rocks and sank within a minute,Body found in search for British woman on dream holiday feared dead after boat sinks was on a three-week holiday in south east Asia with three friends celebrating one of her friend’s 40th birthday.
Today a rival river cruise company claimed the captain of the boat was inexperienced to sail the passengers through the rapids, which had formed in low waters.
A major search was carried out along 20km of the river, which is in one of the most isolated parts of the country.
The co-owner of the cruise company Nagi of Mekong, Adisak Star, said: “The boat which has a steel bottom but is otherwise made of wood hit a rock in the rapids and sank in a minute. It was that fast.
“Everyone on board went into the water but there were rocks for people to cling to.
“They were all able to get to the river bank except for Miss Powell. We don’t know what happened to her.”
Another survivor ran across the roof of the boat until it sank and then swam to the rocks.
The Foreign Office confirmed a body has been found but could not say whether it was that of Johanna Powell.Ms Powell, originally from Pontypridd
The fun-loving 37-year-old, a picture editor with the BBC, is feared to have drowned in rapids in Laos after the river cruise boat she was on capsized.
Yes, only did it a year ago with a tour company called baktrax. fabulous tour of laos but didn’t expect it to be so dishonest even though we had no problems because it was all included in our price but some elderley customers had to pay locals to carry their bags off the boat at both pakbeng and luang prabang as the landings are very basic and steep indeed. our tour coordinator saidthe boats were forced to drop people off short by the local officials who run the taxi scams. he said the boats previouslt landed two minutes away from the centre of town. it would be more acceptable at least if they had proper piers to get on and off at least even though it is still a total rip off. the scenery is fantastic so well worth doing but only on a tour and not as an independent traveller. also do not believe the words of the well spoken laos liar after you cross the border as indeed all his words are lies to make him rich.
great read! thanks for writing this and warning us. So I guess you would suggest a higher end boat for the experience? It sounds like this sort of thing can not be avoided. Such a shame. I totally get why you got annoyed at the $2.50… I would do the same… it’s the principle!
Thanks for sharing your story!! We are making this trip today, and are hoping that our journey is a little, well, less “eventful” haha. The owner of our hostel in Chiang Mai told us that now it is common practice for the boat captains to let all the foreigners off 10 km from Luang Prabang, and that drop off point is included in the slow boat “itinerary” now. Very interesting (and annoying) that they have different destinations based on nationality.
i Did get the slow boat and was shit, the second day they gave uns a smaller boat with more people so there was not enought space for everyone, there was about 80 people or more on the boat. The amazing thing is that after i got to luang prabang we got a boat tour on mekong river, the boat was about the same size the one we did the trip, we were 8 people and we paid 10000 each! Yes less than 2 dollars and we had the boat just for us for 2h. I spoke with the driver and he said that for 500 dolars he could take us back to thailand, and we could fit more than 20 people very comfortable there with the kitchen and soundsystem just for us. So if you can, and have enought people to split is a lot better to rent a boat yourself in the pier and do not book any tour! You will have your boat, stop were u want, have space and even sleep on it maybe! And probably pay less!
It is true that the slow boat pier is 7km out of Luang Prabang as they are not allowed closer now. Everyone including Lao get off here.
I 5 years I have never heard of villagers act dishonestly like this. Having spent a long time here I have never experienced such dishonesty. Generally Lao people are very honest. I see many falang get angry and impatient – don’t. Staying calm and smiling will get you a long way. if you loose your cool you will either get nowhere or ripped off. I’m doing the boat trip next month upstream. If you want more comfort I know many people who use Shompoo Cruises.
Your description of “the aussie girl” is beyond funny. Managing to announce her drug use plans and introduce herself to older “brits” with expletives is a set of events that couldn’t have been more amusing if you’d made them up.
Sorry to hear about your bad experience but glad to learn that it didn’t ruin your time in Laos.
We read this article before our own trip from Pai and it helped us avoid some of these issues by encouraging us to make our own way to the border and boat dock to take the standard trip, it was surprisingly easy. We had a great 2 days and were glad we decided to take the slow boat over a bus.
If anyone is interested on prices as of 2017 and how we did the trip solo to avoid the crowds there is more information here (apologies too much information to paste):
We hope this is helpful 🙂
I did the slow boat to Luang Prabang two days ago. It cost $180 Australian for Mekong Smile Tour. They pick you up from your hotel in Chiang Rai in a comfortable mini bus and take you to the border where they help you through customs and across the border then you are met by another member of their team and they bus you to the boat which is run by a family. Our particular long boat only had 8 paying passengers and we had a lovely trip with food cooked by the owners, coffee, tea and fruit all day with fresh water available ad lib. We had two clean toilets. The boat stops at Pakbeng where you have to pay for a hotel – mine was about $30 and within 5 minutes walk of the pier. Lots of choices and they have local transport to take everyone to their hotel free of charge. The steps out of the boat are well made but steep and locals are vying to take your bag for you for which you pay about 40 baht. Dont let them take your bag if you dont want to pay or dont have any change! People with any sort of mobility problem should not take this boat tour as getting up the stairs is not for them. Getting back on the boat in the morning our tour guide helped me on with my bag as the steps are very steep with no hand rail.
The trip was very comfortable with large cushions, padded reclining car seats and blankets if it gets cold. When you get to Luang Prabang you are not taken into town which is fine but the boat does not dock at a proper dock – it is just a clay bank which you have to walk up with your suit case or bags (you can pay to have it carted up by a local) – there is no way I could have got up the hill with a bag it was absolutely crazy and not an acceptable place to let any body off. Unless you are physically fit and able do not take this trip. We had a light shower of rain before being dropped off on the muddy bank and it was a little slippery – no made steps for most of it.
The tour stops at two villages (again walking on clay banks quite steep) and a cave (very steep steps up to the cave).
I am glad I did this trip as it was very relaxing and comfortable on our boat but very disappointed in how they shove tourists off in a totally dangerous place at the end of the journey.
I was able to purchase a Lao sim card for my phone in Pakbeng village. There is no wifi on board the boat and internet via sim was on and off through the journey from Pakbeng to Luang Prabang.
Your first and only mistake was paying an agency 2400 baht / $75 for a ‘budget package deal’
I paid 200 baht for a bus from Chiang Mai to Chiang Rai, which picked up from my hostel. I checked into a beautiful a hostel in Chiang Rai for 250 baht a night. I rented a moped and spent the day visiting the White Temple, Blue Temple, Black House, Golden Triangle, Opium Museum and a Waterfall.
I woke up early the next morning at 5.30am, walked 10 minutes to the bus station and paid 100 baht for a bus to the Laos boarder. Very little queuing, as I wasn’t with mini bus loads of tourists. I paid 20,000 kip for a Tuk Tuk to the pier and bought a slow boat ticket directly from the ticket office for 200,000 kip.
I waited for the boat to fill up, chose the side facing seats out of choice (I actually managed to get two) and had my bag next to me as I had plenty of room. Whilst everyone else handed over their bags to be chucked in a chaotic pile.
After a beautiful ride down the Mae Kong river, observing natural rock formations, locals fishing and seeing all sorts of wildlife. We arrived in Pak Beng, I grabbed my bag from next to me and jumped off the boat. I walked straight past the locals offering me rooms (amongst other things) and headed down the main street, I asked to see around 3 rooms before settling on a clean private room, with a fan and wifi for 50,000 kip. I had a peaceful evening in the bar, had a small walk around and enjoyed food at the local Indian restaurant.
I woke up early, stocked up on more snacks and hoped back into the same seat as yesterday with my bag beside me and enjoyed the much more scenic second half of the Mae Kong river to Luang Prabang. Jumped off the boat and paid the 20,000 kip for a Tuk Tuk into town.
Bus Chiang Mai to Chiang Rai: 200 Baht
Hostel in Chiang Rai: 250 Baht
Bus to Laos Boarder: 100 Baht
Tuk tuk to pier: 20,000 Kip
Slow boat ticket: 200,000 Kip
Private room in Pakbeng: 50,000 kip
Tuk tuk to town: 20,000 kip
Total: 550 baht + 290,000 kip / $50 USD (£40/€45)
I have travelled extensively in Laos for many years for work and leisure purposes.
Shompoo Cruise is definitely one of the best choices for the slow ride from Luang Prabang to Huay Xai. I booked it through http://www.discoverlaos.today while comparing it with different products in Laos. Might be a consideration for future travellers to find trusted Lao operators as they are supported by Lao tourism board and have tons of information pertaining to Laos.